Showing posts with label AGORA. Show all posts
Showing posts with label AGORA. Show all posts

Tuesday, March 27, 2012

AGORA UPDATES

It's been too long since I've updated, but I have a lot of AGORA Debate Club transcripts, including:

This year AGORA is meeting once a week, which means even more debates!

Saturday, December 31, 2011

AGORA 2011


About:
The English Debate Club (AGORA) at Sadaebugo aims to improve students' English speaking skills through discussion about various topics. Students will debate in a variety of formats and eventually hope to compete against other schools.

Original Debate Syllabus
First Debate Information Session
2nd Debate Information PPT

Calendar:
Saturday, June 11th: English competition - Miss Morrow is unavailable
Sunday, June 12th, 5pm: English Pizza Dinner and Debate in HAWAII! Topic: Immersion (using the target language to teach the language you are trying to learn) is the best way to learn a language. Related topics include studying abroad.
Saturday, June 18th: Students study for finals (FIGHTING!) - EDC doesn't meet.
Saturday, June 25th: Students enjoy time at home, Miss Morrow enjoys a visit from a friend. :D

Sunday, July 10th, dinnertime: Debate Gay Rights
Saturday, July 17th: Miss Morrow leaves for USA, students enjoy time at home

Monday, August 15th: Miss Morrow returns to Korea.

Saturday, September 3rd, lunchtimeDiscuss Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
Saturday, September 17th, lunctime: Discuss personality types and leadership led by Je Woo

Saturday, October 15th, lunchtime: Discuss Nano-technology led by Kilmook

Sunday, November 6th, dinnertime: Childhood Prostitution led by Sujin

Other information:
Results of Survey: Color-coded. Red and orange topics received the most number of "Very Interested" or "Interested votes." Yellow is "?", Green means "Not very interested" and Blue is "I dislike this topic.
Judge's Form

Sunday, November 6, 2011

AGORA Debate: "Childhood Prostitution and Sex-Trafficking"


"Childhood Prostitution and Sex-Trafficking"
AGORA Debate/Discussion on November 6th, 2011

·         Primary Causes

o        JW: Lack of comprehension of the opposite sex contributes to this problem
as a Confucian society, we have distorted views of the opposite sex
o        SP: 1) Personal, Family, Friendship, School, Social Parts are contribute
personal value distorted; family environmental is unstable, society turns a blind eye Gov’t doesn’t help support the issue
o        MS: Basic unfair relationship between children and adult
o        DY: Children volunteer – entrepreneurship
o        JWon: Traveling to other countries for it – avoiding domestic laws
o        Sejin: Poverty -> supplies. The demand for sex trade is present and poverty creates the supplies.
o        ML: Poverty ~ financial benefits; meeting immediate needs -> developing countries.
Pocket money prostitution in developed countries. <- kids don’t get it
o        SP: Poverty is issue, but indifferent families and inefficient support within the social groups is a major issue.
o        YCY: Social pre-conception. Since the issue is mostly prorogated from a male point of view, it’s a women/children’s issue. Men aren’t getting involved to fight it. Men > women in this power struggle
o        Suji: Poverty & existing laws too weak
o        Sejin: Fertilitiy ratio. Children become a surplus and are devaulued
o        Jwoo: Lack of control and lack of proof
o        MS: Unfair relationship: male centered view of sex.
Women = 2nd gender attached to men. No critical attitude to change these behaviors.
o        WC: Greed of managers and pimps
o        GM: Balance of supply and demand results in men searching for sex
ex: Czech Republic. Legal consequences focus on women who were prostitutes but men were faceless & nameless.
o        Robin: 1) Runaway children with family problems most likely to be victims 2) Financial need.
o        Jwoo – Social network services (Twitter, etc) for developed Countries. Lack control of SMS and other forms social communication.
o        MS: Internet playing a big role. Runaway need. Teenage – pocket $
o        MC: Culture of mass media glamorizing prostitution (cheap, easy). Film industries and porn for film: film industry supplies sex industry.
o        Ho Yeon: Parents don’t have autonomous regulation or knowledge x tech
o        GM: Gov. protects sex industries because of money generated by the sex trade , which pressures the government.
o        SP: Summarize: mass media, open culture for sex.

·         Solutions – Brainstorming

o        JWoo: Lack of comprehension between the sexes – it’s important to have understanding between the sexes. Solution: co-ed schools.
o        DoYeon: Education of parents in developing counties. Psychological and physical support should be provided.
o        Sejin: Education for children; especially women to reduce the fertility rate an income besides producing more children and benefiting from child labor
o        MinSeo: Online – international and national laws need backing
o        SP: There are laws, so let’s be creative in our solutions.
o        JeWoo: Police in the educational system, so create an SMS polics alert system
o        Suji: A few ideas: 1) Government gives poor families a work place 2) Sex education 3) Toughen existing laws
o        JaeWon: Sex tourism is an issue, so the international police system should work with local police. Each nations strengthens its laws and punishes and detains international visitors who violate these laws.
o        DoYeon: Crack down on Sex Spam on the internet
o        SP: Internet can help or hinder with advertisements. There should be an international conference to set the standard for legislation for Children’s Rights. There’s already a UN declaration regarding this.
o        MiLang: 1) Educational authorities should educate children in developed counties so that they know about their rights. 2) Support for the vicitims. Housing and ensure legal support for them. We should support all steps of awareness, prevention and holistic care.
o        SeJin: Need to support families who keep their children in school instead of having them enter the sex trade. Examples include the law and effects in Brazil.
o        YoonHui: Work on male’s perceptions of women and sex.
o        KM: Bioterrorism – it’s more likely to spread disease with the offenders.
o        SP: Laws should protect the victims: they should not be punished for this as a crime.
o        JeWoo: Provide jobs for teenagers as a legal alternative.
o        MS: I agree, co-ed schools should be part of the solution.
o        DY: Children sold into sex-trafficking could be prevented with enhanced border laws. Also, the issue of lust can be controlled with medications that block hormones.
o        GM: Education
o        YM: Swedish legislation reduced prostitution by 60% and the number of customers by 80%. Foreign women trafficked into the country was reduced to 0%. Why? Their supporting funds social funds to help prostitutes instead of criminalizing them, ending the problem and using funds to educate the public
o        Jwoo: Legalizing prostitution. Universal conference – make a united front to prevent the abuse of prostitution
o        SM: School campaign: Compulsory sex education
o         

·         Critique the Reactions & Solutions

o        SP: Police reporting crime is good, but…
o        Jwoo: Education is effective and good and decreases rates. Weakening lust w/ medication is not effective. Affecting revenge for victims is too strict for criminals.
o        Wcul: Jobs for teenagers not effective. No skills, so they’ll be fired and it will cycle.
o        Sejin: Bioterrorism – not a good idea. If something goes wrong problem for mankind. Enhancing borders is a good idea.
o        SM: Facilities is good – give children a good alternative.
o        DY: Int’l conference will result in Int’l conflict because of conflicting interest. Providing jobs for kids can be problematic. Might keep them in the cycle as W.C. mentioned.
o        MR: Allowing children to have jobs won’t help pockethood prostitution & those who give money to family are already worried about money. Example: occupy wallstreet.
o        Suj: Borders – will help but makes travel hard.
o        SP: Int’l enforcement will be helpful.
o        SP: Gov’t giving money to children for school – should gov’t shoulder whole burden? Class discrimination is possible
o        YM: Bioterrorism – more likely to have multiple sexual partners. So this will spread, when after the issue.
o        MS: Make laws stricter. Even Korea’s laws are laz. Even cutting off hands and feet might be an idea to consider. I agree with the idea castration by medication.
o        JeWoo: International human rights must be the same wherever people travel.
o        KM: Regulation of advertisements and email. Putting restricting computer programs can have issues.
o        SP: Coeducation can be a mixed blessing and gives more opportunities for discrimination. At our school, teachers always compare boys’ and girls’ scores.
o        DY: Mass media in international contexts should be regulated. Giving money to poor children as a prevention measure is too ambiguous, since then we have to define what is poor.
o        MS: Police accusing people can endanger children’s rights of being violated in the process.

·         Best of the Solutions

o        JaeWon: One of the causes is children participating because they lack basic needs – they come from poor families. Government should help these families with subsidies, tax breaks, education, medical care, etc, to ease the burden on families.
o        SP: But should just the government shoulder the burden of prevention?
o        JaeWon: No, but they do have more of a role than currently.
o        MS: Lowering taxes for the families is only a short-term solution. Long term would be education and basic infrastructure of society.
o        JaeWon: Government burden increasing is necessary if we want to eradicate the problem. We can allocate part of government income, or we can create foundations to raise they own money for hotels or other infrastructure.
o        MS: I meant giving money will only be a short-term solution. Government should help family make money themselves or by working in an industry.
o        SP: MS said it can be a short term solution but I think that we should use indirect & direct solutions.
o        SP: Strong support system between  family, government & int’l organization would be ideal. Give aid to families with int’l organizations overseas partnering with local enforcement to keep it “clean”. Government in system should oversee education  offer consultation for families. Efficiently use private organizations to help poor & offer incentives for private companies to take part with exact and creative standards.
o        Sejin: What incentives for companies to stop child prostitution do you recommend?
o        SP: It’s an indirect solution that focuses on poverty instead. Advertisement, etc.
o        DY: International organizations and creative/strict standards?
o        SP: Policies, especially at the local level, can be influenced or not feasible but international can help oversee.
o        Jwoo: I recommend policies to make families more independent rather than on support
o        SP: You think families could be too dependent?
o        Jwoo: Yes.
o        SP: Direct & indirect solutions. Education from government can help families be more independent.
o        MS: I disagree  families can become too dependent.
Also – there is a constant demand for prostitution - men need it. After families use government aid they won’t leave cycle.
o        SP: Government campaign can be a solution.
o        MS: I like private company solution – it can be helpful, but I think giving aid won’t break the cycle.
o        SP: This is not detailed – it’s just a form I am recommending, not details.
o        Suji: I think it’s similar – int’l funding for poor families. Should be int’l vs. national/region b/c  then there’s no way to make sure $/resources are efficient/effective
o        Jwon: Why does it have to be int’l. Why can’t nat’l govt do it properly?
o        Suji: Politics, like in Kotrs, make the issue less clear. They just ignore the idea of funding, maybe. Int’l will be more informed to people & more active.
o        SP: Int’l can be good, but the range of support is ambiguous
o        Sejin: You mentioned that local politics can be ineffective, isn’t int’l just as difficult to get people to approve?
o        Suji: But they can be more effective for funding.
o        Jwoo: Int’l funding for this will be inefficient – it’s too large. Starting regional/national might be more efficient.
o        Suji: I think nat’l & regional progress will not be effective – more efficient, maybe, but starting big & getting more people behind it will help make it effective.
o        MS: I think int’l is good b/c you get a broader audience. We can solve the problem in many places rather than just one. Example we learned a lot from researching this.  This is because countries like Sweden have good solutions, so int’l attention via int’l funding could have good effects.
o        SP: There could be some discrimination - $ attributes to each country could be unfair - & it’s ambiguous.
o        Suji: Why discrimination?
o        SP: The $ distributed to countries/families will be unequal.
o        M: I think int’l funding is a good idea. The countries that suffer from it are usually poor & other countries can help fund.
o        DY: Solve from bottom up. World Vision and other NGOs. Govt should implement shelters and education for children and parents to create solid sex culture.
o        Suji: I agree that not just children but also parents. Lack of quality education is one of the main causes.
o        Sejin: Changing the culture is a good idea. One of the basics is the wrong cultural assumptions: unfair inequalities between children and adults, males and females.
o        Jaewon: what are ways to promote sound sex cultures?
o        DY: Assemble adults in shelters & give education about how child prostitution is bad. Get right concepts about sex.
o        Jwon: Through mass media? Movies? TV
o        DY: Yes, but that’s a gov’t issue especially since poorer countries/families affected are more removed from mass culture. 
o        ML: Frequent int’l labor reforms & conferences to enforce laws & be more active in prosecuting. These conferences even have symbolic meaning  that puts pressure on individual governments.
o        DY: Good in long run, but conflicting interests will be present. Ex: legalizing prostitution
o        ML: Different interests, but dialogue is valuable.
o        Jwoo: All humans with same values, even if countries have different traditions w/ prostitution.
o        Sujin: Direct & indirect consequences. Direction will involve more strict punishment, maybe not cutting off hands & feet, but chemical castration & jail time
Indirect – education school subsidies. Women’s rights, equality, fertility. Might sound like it costs too much but it is a good long-term solution/investment in a country’s future.
o        DY: Fertility rates.
o        Sujin: Might sound harsh: but might devalue children in a family.
o        Yoonhui: Sweden has succeeded in eliminating sex crimes by punishing men, protecting women, subsidizing women’s in exist prostitution. It also has the highest level of women @ all levels of govt. Basically: change it for men & women.
o        SH: Are we considering victims? Campaign for students & sound conceptions of sex. Only 2 times a year do we have sex education in Korea – but kids are bad. We need more practical & effective education @ all levels, especially earlier in our education.
o        KM: Gov’t needs a lot of $ to improve quality of edu. But sex industry is a major source income for countries.
o        DY: How would it be diff from what we get now in the auditorium for school assemblies?
o        SP: I think it’s a good idea. Understanding this source is difficult & changing culture is impossible.
o        SH: Raise w/ right concept of sex will help them to be a right person.
o        JWOO: All humans are same. Shouldn’t we learn we’re all the same by living & not education or a campaign. Don’t you think that makes it more awkward?
o        KM: Restrict the harmful behavior ~ men who purchase sex are more likely to have more sexual partners. In my opinion, they need it without a relationship. The sex industry is so lucrative that it can pressure the government. Children enter the field from poverty and of education – they can’t afford schooling. Lowering fertility rate – parents can afford to educate. As % of children enrolled in school goes up, children involved in prostitution goes down.
o        DY: Lowering fertility rate can be contrary to religion/culture
o        KM: If that’s not possible, than gov’t restriction is best solution.

Saturday, September 24, 2011

Introvert and Extrovert Leader Debate

On Introverts, Extroverts and Leadership
September 24th, 2011


(led by Lee Je Woo, transcript provided by Miss Morrow. She apologizes for any misquotes. Initials are provided when possible, but may be incorrect. If you wish to have your name/initials removed, contact Miss Morrow).

 We started watching this EBS Video around 10:30:
The whole series is interesting. I encourage you to watch it during your own time



1)    Are you and introvert or an extrovert?

LJW: Introvert. JSJ: Not sure. Extro, intro? KSJ: Introvert. LKM: Half and half. When I see my friends, I want to join them, but sometimes I prefer to be alone. LWC: Extrovert; I like talking. YHY: Introvert. KJW: I think most people have both sides, especially when people are afraid of speaking in front of others. Everyone has both, it’s just whatever’s most dominant.

2)    What are some of the good or bad things of being introverted or extroverted?

LJW: When I can’t speak well, sometimes I feel lonely; I’m bad at expressing myself, but I think deeply before speaking. It’s better to have more time to enjoy my hobbies.
: I’m an extrovert, so I’m friendly but sometimes I hurt people because I speak too directly.
: I’m an introvert. This makes me a good listener. I tend to be more serious. Disadvantages: I don’t have a sense of humor and I find it difficult to help my friends when they have a hard time.
: I am both an introvert and an extrovert. I have broader relationships with others, but I don’t have much time to think about myself.
KDY: I’m an extrovert. I like to go out and chat. This is good because I have lots of friends and some humor. Sometimes it’s bad because I don’t think too much before talking, so sometimes I go too far when talking with friends and I waste a lot of studying time.

3)    Have you ever been a leader? Why did you want to be one?

LJW:  I wanted to be a leader because their voices are heard, listened to, they get to make decisions, and I thought I could change myself from being introverted to extroverted. It worked.
KMS: Me, too. I was a class leader for three years. At first it was difficult. I knew that I had critical ideas but I was shy to share them. But then as a leader I became more extroverted. I learned more about people, but maybe became more like a dictator, so now I’m an extrovert trying to become more of an introvert.
CML: I’m an introvert, so I listen well, but I have a more difficult time being humorous. I’m changing a little.
PSH: I had no time to be a leader in middle school, but I envied my class leader, so I determined to be a leader and interact with more people.
LKM: I was a leader in elementary school, but not in middle/high school. In elementary school, I was really excited and enjoyed having an elevated heartbeat. I liked to present in front of an audience, but in MS/HS, it can be dangerous. A leader can be a really important role, so I didn’t do it.
KDY: I was also a leader in elementary school, but I preferred to step back and see what leaders are doing. It’s too stressful, but I like to lead group projects.
KSJ: Last year I was the vice-leader of the 1-6 class. I did it because I’d never had the chance in middle school, but in H.S. it was a big step to becoming more like an extrovert. I felt really nervous, but it was a chance to learn a lot and get some great experiences. It was a great opportunity.

4)    Difficulties of being a leader

LWJ: In my case, sometimes I must ask my classmates to correct their behavior, which sounds like a command, which is bad. And I must be very careful not to break rules, even when I’m just having fun.
KMS: I tend to break rules. A lot. And I get noticed by teachers a lot. As a leader, responsibility means greater punishment. Also, leaders have to listen to 40 different opinions and should embrace them all.
JSJ: Choosing an opinion to suit everyone is hard. There is no definite right or wrong way to do something ,but you have to do your best.
PSH: Taking responsibility is tough and going o the teacher to hear about everything. Some have loud voices, some have quiet, but they all have opinions and you should make decisions for them all.
CML: They expect president/v.president to do everything for them, especially cleaning. They try to avoid their own responsibility.
PSH: I represent the class, even I don’t think so, so I shouldn’t sleep in class.

5)    Which makes a better leader: an introvert or an extrovert?

KSJ: Introverts ,because they prepare more because they are more nervous. And introverts understand other introverts, so they know other people aren’t always confident talking, but want their opinions heard. It’s not a disadvantage, and you can get more comfortable as a leader. You can get over the abilities you lack, but the skill set for being a leader is very large, so there are many things that introverts do that can help them be good leaders.
: I agree that an introvert can be a good leader, but extroverts can be a better one. Being a leader means standing in front, and extroverts can be good at encouraging others. Introverts can be good about caring about others, but sometimes you need to be harsh.
LWC: Introverted can do things well in their own way. People can lead with whatever style.
KMS: I think a leader’s most important ability is to communicate with others, extracting potential and ideas from other people. Drawing out ideas and opinions of others is an important trait. Some say that introverts can communicate in other ways, but real understanding comes from face-to-face talking. So I think the talking ability of extroverts is a great advantage. Introverts pass up on chances to know others because they are shy. Also, sometimes they are more likely to make decisions more slowly, but good fast decision skills are important.
YH: I think face-to-face is the basic way to have communication with others. Extroverted people can act more quickly, especially with sudden happenings or surprising events. I think being extroverted is more beneficial.
M.L.: Before discussion, I thought being extroverted was more beneficial, but after the video and discussion, I think introverted is better because I think they spend more time to make a better decision for everyone. An extrovert might be too active and people may not be comfortable following them.
SP:I agree – an extroverted leader can be too active, but I think a CEO should have a lot of experience. I think an introvert might be good at thinking, but not have as many experiences.
HY: Extroversion is better. Lots of people have opinions and in order to gather and make decisions, you need to be tough and sometimes hard, and I think extroverts tend to be those things more.
KM: I think different situations call for different types of leaders. But I think extroverts might be better. I prefer democratic leadership, so they must communicate and here in a way that is effective and fair. What comes from the heads of all people is better than what comes from the mind of one.
DY: Extroverts have more courage to infuriate and encourage other people’s voices and/or quiet voices that are too loud. Introverts tend to listen more, but I think that can be too confusing.
JSJ: Out of the two different personalities, introverts tend to be more logical and extroverts are usually more emotionally. I think extroverts’ best ability is to inspire people in one direction for something. It’s better to have the big picture rather than many small details.
PSH: I agree but I think responsibility and capability are the most important. I think extroverts have greater advantages to be a leader easily. I think either personality can be a great leader, but extroverts find it easier to be a great one.

Saturday, September 3, 2011

AGORA: "Should Palestine Become an Independent State?"


“Should Palestine Become an Independent State
Selections from the debate by AGORA at Sadaebugo
3rd of September, 2011


: It would be a big problem for peace in the Arab states. It would be ruled by Hamas, which is very hostile to Arabs.
: We should respect Palestine’s rights. Basically what they call Israel is invaders.
: Do you know what Hamas is? It’s Palestine’s armed political party. It is interrupting peace negotiations between Palestine and Israel.
: People oppose [the creation of a state] because Palestine is violent and not a fixed government.
: Should we upset the Bible’s promises of Israel? There was the diaspora, then the Holocaust, the UN helped create Israel and agreed that it should be a state, but there were people there already, so three more wars ensued.
: Did they have a nation there before? After WWI, England made a promise to Israel and to Palestine.
: If Palestine has their own government, now they merely need land?
: This is not an easy issue because it’s related to religion, too. Fighting over Jerusalem is often a religious issue. Strong counties are staying quiet and don’t want to get involved. The U.S., however, supports Israel.
: Other counties need to step in. Israel’s claims and evidence are questionable. England made promises when Palestine was actually just a colony and its rights were trampled. This was done because of guilt associated with the Holocaust.
: How are we to solve this? Should we leave them alone or intervene? What is the best way to pursue peace?
: Like how should land be divided?
: Do we leave it? Or do we create 2 and leave Jerusalem alone?
: I wouldn’t be very happy dividing it; it’s a very sensitive issue as a religious site.
: Palestine wants Jerusalem included, as well, because of its own religion. But the world can’t settle the religious issues at hand – they have to work it out themselves. Maybe keep Jerusalem neutral?
: There will be more conflicts and war. Now there is no government, but if there is, they could war over it.
: Arab countries historically don’t give rights to Jews. Saudi Arabia doesn’t even let them become citizens, but Israel is better at integrating Arabs. We should support Israel in finding a solution on this issue.
: So you don’t agree? Palestine shouldn’t be its own country.
: No, it has its rights. Actually, Israel ignored a lot of UN resolutions by building illegal settlements in the occupied area.
: It’s really tricky!

Sunday, June 12, 2011

AGORA Debate: Is Immersion the Best Way to Learn a Language?


Is Immersion the Best Way to Learn a Language?
AGORA Debate on the 12th of June, 2011


Pro: KilMook, JaeWon, DoYeon, MiRang, Suji
Con: JeWoo, SeJin, MinJi, SolPit, SuJin

Pro: We must define what we mean when we talk about the target language? A study done by Baker surveyed 1000 students. He found that early immersion students lagged behind for the first few years in literacy and then they caught up. There were no negative impacts on their first language. Its also effective for improving cognitive skills as they develop.
Con: It takes too much time its more effective to learn the basic structure of a new language in your mother tongue.
Pro: But these are skill sets for a global society. Even though it takes time, its worth it.
Con: Immersion education is expensive and will further demonstrate the gap between the rich and poor. This type of education may cost and need a lot of money to be effective. If I am poor, then I cant be in this type of program because it is too expensive.
Pro: If you look at public resources, its free. If public schools implement this type of language instruction, it helps keep the private industry problem minimal.
Con: Even so, there is limited support from the government for these types of programs. Not all schools can afford this type of education. If we change it, it could devastate the national school system.
Pro: But if we do it in Korea, it helps all. If we dont, it increases privatization and studying abroad.
Pro: The next best thing is studying abroad. It can help bring both culture and language. Everyone deserves the opportunity to have that rich experience.
Con: There are opportunities to go so without going abroad, especially as we are a technological society. We can experience cultures and languages abroad through technology. Moreover, there are social issues present with immersion via studying abroad with things like the goose father phenomenon. We would need to find other ways to have cultural experiences to reduce social problems if too many people go overseas to live and study.
Pro: In what other ways?
Con: Technology!
Pro: But its limited. It is a technological society, but you need higher English levels to access that information. So many documents are in English, so it becomes a huge waste of time to translate documents [in order to gain cultural knowledge].
Con: There are other activities outside of class that can be used to enhance language ability.
Pro: Including going abroad?
Con: I think were defining immersion too narrowly as going abroad. If immersion includes activities inside classrooms, then I think we can move in a different direction.
Pro: Yes, we are focusing on going abroad, but we also support programs in schools that use the target language for instruction.
Con: I think we could divide the topic as abroad and classroom programs. Obviously there are problems with going abroad. Students then have trouble adapting to home culture.
Pro: Studying overseas is much more of a cultural advantage. Not only do you experience the countrys academic and language offerings, but you also interact with the people you study with. Its more diverse. And you are not likely to forget your own culture.
Con: But it happens.
Pro: But being abroad to study another language, going abroad 1 or 2 years doesnt really affect you culture or identity in a negative way.
Con: Maybe short term it appears to have no effect, but long term can have an effect as you adapt. It can make it more difficult to fit back into our own culture.
Pro: But in this global society, overcoming culture shock is as important as learning a language.
Con: Should we all go, then? Its very expensive, and cost is an important thing to consider. What would you suggest for cost? Yes, it might have a good effect, but what about paying for it?
Pro: English immersion and other language immersion is being surrounded by the language for a significant amount of time. Actually learning the language becomes more realistic that way. Going abroad is just one way.
Con: So KAIST-styled English classes is the way to go?
Pro: English in the classroom is an effective tool to learn language instead of learning it from a Korean friend.
Con: So KAIST is a type of immersion program disadvantage. The gap between rich and poor is present, as is the intensity of immersion sometimes has tragic consequences.
Con: Besides, many people feel theyre left behind by English immersion classes and will try to catch up by going to academies, which costs more money.
Pro: Immersion can lower academy enrollment rates because only learning English at school doesnt make English perfect. Now we see that those who go abroad generally have better English ability and those who dont are less confident.
Pro: According to Student International Language Teacher of the year, studies show immersion increases critical thinking, creativity, mental flexibility. Scores for verbal and math on standardized tests went up. I think language immersion develops better skills that help other subjects in the long term.
Pro: There are also different levels of immersion: total and partial. Total is 100% and partial is 50% when you learn only some material in the target language. You can take leveling tests to determine which one a student should take. In middle school, there were three different English levels and you could pick which one you wanted to take. I think the KAIST case did not offer such flexibility.
Con: So your solution is leveled classes with different amounts of immersion teaching? What is the difference between what you just described and what we do now?
Con: What you described has a lot of limitations, including financial. What is spent on these programs and how are they paid for. Even though this happens currently in schools, there might be some misperceptions, especially with cultural knowledge. We cant just put foreigners in every class, but we cant have Korean teachers transmit American culture because they may not all be informed on it.
Pro: So the internet can supplement responsible teachers. Young students can get this information in this technological age. And not all foreign language teachers are professional or should be teaching in a classroom.
Con: Korean education has a lot of paradoxes. Politicians are focused on getting good poll results from people, not students. So they adopt measures that are not for the benefit of students. Immersion in schools may have problems, but they dont think about it. Level tests are okay, but they are limited, so we need a better solution. As for delivering culture, the best would be to get all Americans (or foreigners) to do the teaching but we cant. But Koreans teaching will result in cultural misconceptions. Going abroad is too expensive, plus the wild goose father problem. I think we need to focus on learning our language and culture first. We learn English to communicate with people and because America and other English-speaking countries are powerful.
Pro: Culture is just one advantage of immersion. We do it to learn the language, which immersion is helpful for. Culture is being overemphasized here.
Con: Culture is important.
Pro: Immersion doesnt mean erasing culture, it means learning language.
Con: What I mean by immersion in the classroom is that they can teach you language, but that process can create stereotypes and bad language habits. Example: how many SouthEast Asians speak English. Their English is so varied that native speakers cant understand them. I worried that we dont have more professional native English teachers, we will develop our own language and not English as most of the world speaks it. When Korean English teachers deliver information about language, it does indirectly teach us about culture, too.
Pro: Im still not getting your objections to culture.
Con: Perfect immersion might be good, but we cant achieve it. Political environment needs to improve.
Con: Koreans cant give us a truly accurate picture of America.
Pro: Going abroad costs too much, Koreans cant teach us enough about America, so students dont get the right idea. So what solutions do you have?
Pro: Also on stereotypes: unprofessional native teachers can teach us wrong stereotypes. Also, if students are afraid of foreigners, then they wont learn. They are more comfortable learning from Koreans.
Pro: You disagree with going abroad, and immersion doesnt seem compatible, but it can help more than learning from a Korean.
One conclusion: Immersions goal is to learn language. And some teachers may not be professional, but if they are selected and approved by the government, then we have to trust them.
Defining immersion as going abroad becomes problematic.
Con: In Korea, actual meaning of immersion seems to be going abroad or having all English classes.
Pro: Identity is being determined in middle school and high school. One or two years overseas can help you develop a more cultured personality.
Con: Personal anecdote: my brother moved back to Korea after living in America for a few years nd had all sorts of problems adjusting. During early development, maybe one or two years can a big impact on acquiring language skills. During that time, students should be able to acquire their own culture and develop.
Pro: Not everyone has such issues adapting. Culture shock happens, but you can learn from other cultures and widen the way you think.